Trying to give meaning to the meaningless?

[kai]

Okay we've all seen varios products, animals, appendages, etc.... that seem to serve no purpose what so ever correct? So here's my idea . . . . . post what you've seen or have or ate . . . . or smoked O_O

[Locke]

Out of idle curiosity, what's a purose?

[kai]

Purose is a typo that I cannot correct because well . . . . it won't allow me to. So you see my poll is now a perfect example of something with no purpose . . . . unless you are open minded and want to fill in the blanks (but that is nothing here nor there).

[Locke]

Ah, I see. I think half the stuff you say is an example of something that has no purpose. :p

[Yuffie]

Vaguelly related...to scoubidous have ANY purpose at all? What is the point of them?!

[kai]

All though what you say is true locke, I am deeply hurt but that observation.

Ever seen those automatic hammers? They are so week you could have hammered the nail in five times before it finished.

[kai]

Sorry I don't mean to double post but I fealt this needed it's own dedicated post :


Scoubidous return

First popular in our playgrounds about 20 years ago, Scoubidous is a craze that is back big time. Made from thin strips of colourful plastic threads, Scoubidous are woven together to create key rings, toys, bracelets and other accessories.They may not be very ecologically sound, but they are attracting a new generation of nimble-fingered kids and adults.

In London, schoolkids are competing with each other to see who can make the funkiest Scoubi's and who can don the most. It is not unusual to see schoolkids piling a dozen or more around their necks and then attaching another huge bunch to bags and keys.

There are two main methods used to make them: the standard square way or the trickier spiral version. A Secret Code has developed: according to Scoubiland (http://www.scoubiland.co.uk/), blue and yellow means 'your secret is safe', red and orange is 'together forever' while yellow plus blue means 'daft as a brush'. You'll find loads of inspiration and instructions online and there's even a book, Scoubidou Fun by Lorraine Burn (£7.99). Scoubidou or Loopy Lou sets cost from 99p to around £5 and are available from scoubidou.co.uk (http://www.scoubidou.co.uk/), Toys R Us and ebay.


http://www.widemedia.com/fashionuk/news/2005/04/04/scoobidoos.jpg

[Lance Alvein]

Kai... Where did you get this information?

[kai]

www.widemedia.com (http://www.widemedia.com) I had never heard of these umm . . . unique accessories until I searched for them. Personally I'd say they are about as useful as a pet rock (ooo the memories).

[Yuffie]

Kinda sad that you can do SO many different and amazing things with them...and they're still really useless!! :amazed:

But I suppose there's a lot of things like that and if I put my mind to it I could think of some.

I pity kids with pet rocks...I mean...even invisible friends must be better than inanimate ones. :p

[Locke]

Yeah, pet rocks are kinda sad (sorry if anybody here ever had one, but meh, if you had a pet rock ..... yeah).

[kai]

I pet rock from behind my house . . . . . . though for some reason most people called it a quarry of some sort :smash: .

[Yuffie]

Anyone who had/has a pet rock kinda deserves to be teased as a kid. ;)

I don't think I had an imaginary friend...my real best friend was with me all the time. :D

Then she didn't pass the exam to go to the same secondary school as me so we split and promised we'd still keep in touch...oops... :emlaugh:

[Locke]

For shame :shame: Saying you'll keep in touch and then not :shame:

[Yuffie]

Well she didn't either! :amazed:

Anyway, we still see each other from time to time but we're from different worlds now. She's more into booze and cigarettes. ;)

[Astrolounge]

Scoubidous: For a vauge trivia points, it's called "Boondoggle" on our side of the pond.

[Yuffie]

And they're both seemingly irrelevant names for a seemingly pointless idea! :D

[Astrolounge]

So very true.

[jetblue]

When i was 10 I had a lucky rock that i could of sworn glowed with some sort of power. I carried it with me everywhere. Is that considered a pet rock?

[Yuffie]

A magical glowing pet rock...I'm trying to figure out if that's more or less meaningless than a non-glowing one. :rofl:

Out of curiousity, how long did you have it?

[Locke]

Well Jet, did you give it a name and did you talk to it? If yes to both questions, then I'd consider it a pet rock. If you just carried it around and considered it a power stone, then no.

[kai]

I pulled up the definition for pet :

A pet is an animal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal) that is kept by humans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans) for companionship and enjoyment, as opposed to livestock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livestock), which are kept for economic reasons. The most popular are noted for their loyal or playful characteristics or their attractive appearance or song.
The term "pet" may also be applied to relationships, usually in an endearing way by a lover, significant other, or partner. Calling something a pet, though, can just as easily be considered an insult (see "plaything (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaything)").

So being that the rock wasn't an animal . . .. . . there are two options . . . . :confused:

[Yuffie]

What if the rock is coated in tiny weeny organisms and bugs and stuff?

Then you could have a rock with pet organisms. :D

[Locke]

I'd say that the rock could be considered a pet by those standards Yuffie :D. Mind you, a rock could also be considered an imaginary pet, like those imaginary friends ;)

[kai]

lol "we was soo poor we had imaginary pet rocks" :lamesign:

[Locke]

I'm sure you were poor kai, I'm sure.

[kai]

. . . . I thought it was a good joke :knockedout: .
Anyways . . . . Papper clip or Stapler?????????????

[Locke]

Stapler, of course. Who broke my stapler :realmad: :p

[kai]

lol heh heh
I don't know what I'd go with. Staples are more stable and reliable but papper clips are interchangable and useful to combine with a rubberband :evilgrin: .

[Locke]

Why does Tim Hortens coffee seem to taste better then coffee from any other location?

[kai]

NICOTINE!!!!!!!!!!! O_O

I wouldn't say it's how they make it on-site but rather something in the coffee grinds, however it would seem they don't tell their workers this vital information.

[Locke]

I've worked at tims as a baker, there's no nicotein in the coffee anymore, I don't think. :wonder:

[kai]

ummm . . . . yes there is, except that it's only trace amounts so it's legal. God bless loopholes O_O

[Yuffie]

I'm not sure how Lucozade can be legal. It started life as a medicinal drink to give boosts of energy and generally give your body a kick start to boot out colds and stuff. :rofl:

As a result, I'm one of the healthiest people I know. ;)
And that's despite having a terrible diet and exercise. :D

[Locke]

Well, look at red bull. That's a drink that's legal, but you'll really screw yourself over if you drink too much of it. Definently a way to crash and burn right there.

[Yuffie]

I've never really been a big fan of Red Bull...I tend to steal a bit if a friend's drinking it but it's not addictive like lucozade. :rofl:

[Locke]

Try Red Rave :p

[Yuffie]

Is it a cheap copy of Red Bull? We have a drink called Red Rooster here, it's packaging is pretty similar and it tries to copy the taste but it's just cheaper. :D

[Locke]

Nope, Red Rave is a more expensive version designed for raves to help straightedge people have enough energy to dance for 8 hours or so straight :D Wow that's a fun drink :D

[Yuffie]

I spend most of my day dancing and prancing wherever I'm going anyway. :D
But I bet you'd need pretty regular toilet breaks from it while dancing...

[Locke]

Not really, drink 3 of them in a row and I swear you couldn't stand still if you tried.

[kai]

Red Rave : http://www.redraveenergy.com/index.html
Cost : $2.00 for 250ml

Red Bull : http://www.redbull.com/homepage.action?hasQuicktime=false
Cost : $2.00 for 8.3oz (235ml)

Really RedBull is more expensive but only because Red Rave gives you 15ml more. Both are excellent!!! O_O

For more information about the worlds current energy drinks visist http://www.bandddesigns.com/energy/

[Locke]

Only 2 Dollars :realmad: They were charging 4 at the rave, those bastards :realmad:

[Astrolounge]

Energy drinks are nonsense as far as I have tried them, they don't do anything.
Except make you less thirsty I suppose.

[Giea]

Energy drinks are actually bad.. because they can keep your heart off track. If you want me to tell you the truth I highly disagree with energy drinks thats a good way to get a heart attack.

[Locke]

So is being fat, you don't see me doing that one either. Although I'd say that eating at least one steak a day for 2 weeks or so probly wasn't too healthy either.

[kai]

lol True energy drinks are not healthy by any means . . . . even says so on the can . . however pending on the drink they do cause noticable effects due to the whole medicinal contents.

[Yuffie]

I have a regular drinking diet of Lucozade but also a variety of milk, orange juice, apple juice and water. So at least I vary it a little I guess. :emlaugh:

[Locke]

I drink 4 bottles of pepsi a day at work, past that it's usually water or more pop from McDonalds, Wendy's, whatever fast food place I end up eating at.

[kai]

Is the only purpose of say pop or juice flavor? I know some have different nutritional values but most are worse off for you compared to say . . . water. Are we so spoiled a species that we would sacrafice our health for taste?

[Yuffie]

Are we so spoiled a species that we would sacrafice our health for taste?
Well some more than others. :D

I'm hoping my lack of smoking and other bad habits should even out my health from my bad diet, although it's most unlikely.

[Locke]

The amount of bad things that I do I would expect myself to be at least 300 pounds and horrendously out of shape, instead I'm a fit 150 :D Maybe if you do enough of everything then it all balances out :D

[kai]

hmmm all the negatives become positive . . . . that would explain our healthy weight even though our diets compose of food not so healthy.

[Locke]

I thought that you'd end up putting a comment after mine, since we live almost identical lifestyles :p. Yeah, I really don't know why either of us is still alive after the things we've done.

[kai]

It's all about a persons way of thinking . . . . . I enjoy fast food but would not enjoy being fat therefor I am not . . . . :confused: well maybe not but we aren't exactly lazy people either :D

[Yuffie]

I enjoy fast food but I couldn't eat it very often...it tends to make you feel bad physically and mentally after you eat all that processed cows parts and fat. :p

[Locke]

I never feel bad after eating fast food, but that's just me. :D

Kai - Not lazy my right buttcheek. The most physical activity any of us do is walk around, you biking to work, or us playing hackysack. We really don't do all that much.

Anybody know what the purpose to a kiwi bird is?

[kai]

Those are all very fatiuging activities. It's not so much we do a lot of activities but when we do them we do them until we can't do them well anymore. . . . . if that makes any sense to anyone .

Oh your going to love this :

THE KIWI BIRD

The kiwi is the sole survivor of an ancient order of birds including the now extinct moas. A flightless bird about the size of a domestic fowl, the kiwi has coarse, bristly, hair-like feathers. Females are larger than males.
Kiwis grow to about the size of a chicken and weigh between three and nine pounds. They have no tail and tiny two inch wings which for all practical purposes, are useless. Despite its awkward appearance, a kiwi can actually outrun a human and have managed to survive because of their alertness and their sharp, three-toed feet, which enable them to kick and slash an enemy.

The kiwi’s long slender bill has nostrils at the lower end. Using its excellent sense of smell and flexible bill, the kiwi feeds on worms, insects and grubs, supplemented by leaves, berries and seeds. There are five kinds of kiwi in New Zealand - three closely related Brown Kiwis (http://www.chemistry.co.nz/kiwibird.htm#North Island Brown Kiwi), the Little Spotted Kiwi (http://www.chemistry.co.nz/kiwibird.htm#Little Spotted Kiwi) and the Great Spotted Kiwi (http://www.chemistry.co.nz/kiwibird.htm#Great Spotted Kiwi).

The young kiwi emerges wearing shaggy adult plumage. The young chick is not fed by the adult, but survives on a large reserve of yolk in its belly. Gaining strength, the chick remains in the nest for six to ten days. The young kiwi then leaves the burrow, and, accompanied by the male, begins to search for food. Kiwis have been known to live up to twenty years.


http://www.chemistry.co.nz/kiwibird.htm if you would like to learn more about the kiwi bird.

[Yuffie]

Therefore the purpose of the Kiwi bird is to help maintain the natural balance of the environment by eating and therefore helping control certain insect populations and it's very presence creates a difference in locations due to it's characteristics.
:graduate:

[Astrolounge]

I thought thier purpose was to look funny and give small children something to stupidly chase around.

[Lance Alvein]

Both purposes may be true... after all, they're not mutually exclusive :p

[Astrolounge]

Plus, if you really tick them off, they cut you!
Weee! Fun for the whole family.

[Locke]

:biglaugh: Ahahahaha. Well done Astro, fun for the whole family indeed :D

[Yuffie]

I always found swans kinda cruel...they float about looking all elegant and pretty then if you offer them food they try to kill you!! :bawl:

[bjp4444]

One of my friends from school, his brother was killed by a swan, pecked his eyes out. Really a tragic tale.....


At least that's what he would always tell the drunk girls at our open parties. Who knows?

-bjp

[Lance Alvein]

I was once pecked in the eye by a chicken... does that get any points :p

[Astrolounge]

I buchered a rooster a few weeks ago.
But that had nothing to do with pecking.

[Locke]

I once got attacked by a swan when I was little over in Halifax. Those things hurt like hell when they latch on :cry:

[Lance Alvein]

You were also attacked by a snake, and a dog, so you can't say much :p

[Locke]

I've been attacked by many many snakes Lance. By a whole lot of different animals such as mice, snakes, cats, dogs, various fish I've caught, horses, boats, couple ducks, a goose, a swan, chickens have pecked me numberous times.... The list keeps right on going :D

[Yuffie]

I don't get attacked all that much, animals tend to chase James rather than me. :D

[kai]

Animals run in fear at my very scent. It might have something to do with the time locke and I lived in a townhouse and I nearly went insane . . . . . . . .
Kill . . . . . . awww my friend . . . Kill . . . . . . I won't hurt you . . . .SMASH, SQUISH, THWAP . . . . Hockey anyone? :evilgrin:

[Locke]

Ahahahahahaha. Kai, I can't believe you brought that up.... You bastard :realmad:

[Yuffie]

It's not just animals, Kai.

*rolls some deoderant across the floor to him from the other side of the room* :D

[Locke]

Ha ha Kai, Yuffie thinks you smell funny :p

[kai]

*kai looks at the deoderant*

hmmm, strong enough for a man but made for a woman . . .

*scratches out woman and writes in berserker with a sharpy*

There we go :D

[Locke]

Women = Berserker eh Kai. What do you think steph would think of that. For that matter, what would she think of you using girl's deoderant :finger:

[kai]

Have you ever seen a woman get angry? It's like berserkers have some sort of new technique where they look all cute but still keep their rage . . . :amazed:

[Yuffie]

I attacked James with body spray the other day, he smelt like strawberries and summer fruits around all his tough friends. :D

I don't often have to get angry at James but I did bite him a while ago when he forgot he said he'd visit me... :emlaugh:

[kai]

I REST MY CASE!! :tophat:

[Yuffie]

Well he didn't even call to say he wasn't visiting he just forgot! I was perfectly sound in my actions!! :p

It was practically self defence. :)

[kai]

You bit him because he forgot to visit you? Wow I hope he doesn't suffer from bad memory loss in the near future or you'll be eating good for a good while . . . :hungry:

[Locke]

I don't think you can make any comments about anybody biting anybody Kai. I seem to half recall one night when you lunged accross my room in res. with a yell of "http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/drumstick.gif"

[kai]

I wasn't enraged with fury I was drunk and enjoy hurting people when I am . .. . . . simple :D

[Locke]

Ok Kai.... Ok. I don't think that was the reason, I think you really thought it was a drumstick. Poor guy le douche. :shame: :biglaugh:

[kai]

Food, Water, and sanity . .. . .
Three basic things people need to survive . .. . minus the sanity perhaps but in general it is a good thing to have. So as to the nature of the thread "meaning to the meaningless" how has society developed so many things with no logical purpose to further the future of mankind? Seems to me most of what we develop is used to make our lives easier not better.

This brings to mind the theory of Clear White Light : Whenever man comes to a point in his evolution where he has sufficient mastery in the mind to produce "things", he suffers for the lack of peace. What peace?
Eftya: Brilliant transparent clear white light as seen during deep contemplation.

[Locke]

I concur. Look at the children of today. A fairly large chunk of them are... well, large and chunky. This is caused party by our societies constant search for the easy life, the big one, the ultimate score. Our society is a drain hole of corruption and unhappiness.

[kai]

That and kids today no nothing about will power. Parents are less likely to talk to their kids than simply buy them what they want to keep them happy. They grow up thinking they can demand anything they want and they think they should get it when and where they want it. . . . . oh I don't want to see some of kids from the next generation when they get older.

[Locke]

Me neither, it's gonna be a sad sad day when the next generation takes over :shame:

[kai]

As to more meaningless things . . . . Salvia. It is a legal herb/sage that is suppose to alter your state of mind for about $45 a gram.

[Locke]

True. I think I might get some at some point anyways just so I can say that I've done it, but past that I can't see any point to it. Especially since it grows on PEI :shame:

[kai]

Oh, you'll feel it, oh will you ever . . . . problem is that it only last like 5 minutes.

[Locke]

Meh, I'm not too concerned about it. I might or I might not. My main concern with it is that it's 45 dollars a gram. That'd last one person 5 minutes. That's worse then those crazy people who go out and get cocain. At least they get a half hour a line. :shame:

[kai]

An entire vial would last longer than 5 mins cause I only had like a third of a bowl and I was pretty good for about 3 minutes, it depends on how you smoke it and how much you smoke in a certain period of time.

[Locke]

Meh, no worries. I still am kinda hesitant about tossing my money away on it. Meh. Someday, someday.

[Locke]

So, I just gotta ask, why do stupid people breathe. Darwin has showen us that we must weed out the week, and in today's modern sense's I'd say that only the smart should survive as opposed to the strong, because in these days only the smart survive :evilgrin:

[Yuffie]

You have a good point there...with todays job requirements it's almost a punishment to let people breathe when they cannot achieve their ambitions and live constantly knowing that they have failed.

Sadly even the smart ones have trouble finding good jobs now because everyone tends to go to uni because people think it's unethical to have a divide between smart and stupid people (or less smart people as we're now supposed to say).

A lady was talking on the radio about the exams saying the letter should not say "pass" and "fail" but "pass" and "not yet passed".

If everyone keeps passing then we'll need even higher education to sort people out! :amazed:

[Locke]

I know. We get the people that are actually productive and worth keeping around, then we get people who, in the long run, are stupid and completely worthless. Now, I'm not saying that these people aren't good for some things (manual labor, long-standing members of road crews, etc....), but we really shouldn't be putting these types of people as heads of business's, organizations, or countries. This is an almost sure sign that whatever they are in charge of is going to fail.

[kai]

Following the lines of the whole "not yet-passed" idea. Our schools used to take your marks from junior high and put you in the appropriate classes in highschool (ex. 85>= class a level 70>=class b level etc..) but that was cruel to the idiots because they would be known as less intelligent. So what we have is a system that levels the playing field giving idiots (i don't believe in political correctness) an easier time while students with intellect get dragged down and can't reach their potential.

[Yuffie]

When my dad was at school they were given a seed rank to organise the class from best to worse.

Pretty tough but it got the message across as everyone knew to compete for the higher spots. A bit harsh if even the lowest kid was super smart just not as smart as the rest. :p

[Locke]

Oh, trust us Yuffie, me and Kai graduated from a school where the only claims to fame it had were the highest dropout rates, highest drug rates, and highest teen pregnancy rates for PEI. There was one hell of a lot of stupid people there, and they ended up in the academic classes on occasion. And it really, really sucked. Because they were dumbasses. Period.

[Lance Alvein]

I graduated from there too... its still the same as it was, as I can remember some pretty stupid people who graduated from there... though there still were some people who were originally in your guys class who still haven't graduatedhttp://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/eyepopping.gif

[Yuffie]

I'm the 1st person in my whole entire whopping big family to every go to university...

And when we're all in the middle of celebrating the newspapers are printing "Exam successes, A - levels are getting easier".
So are we actually smart or are exams easier? :p

[Locke]

I know Lance, there were some whopping big stupid ones.


Congrats on that Yuffie. I can't say much though, most of my family has gone to university, and it's in no way a small family.

[Yuffie]

My dad was at sea when he was 15 so he didn't have much time for studying anything else. :p

And my mum just has a really scary mother in my opinion. :emlaugh:

[kai]

I'd say half my family has gone to university, and the other half managed to get high paying jobs in ontario without needing higher education, meh whatever works I guess. :tophat:

[Tonedeaf]

lol who needs university my dad dropped out his 2nd year and my mom got a degree in business... i don't know what i am going to do ... hopefully go to collage...it's closer to home

[Locke]

We can't all be fisherman TD, come on now. While that might pay more then any other job in PEI pretty well, we can't all do it. You're folks just were lucky enough to see the wisdom of getting into it. Me, I'll stick to sitting on my ass and doing nothing while still getting paid for it :D

[Tonedeaf]

yes well i would rather be working on a boat increasing my physique and my tan and getting paid for it

MAN IT IS COLD IN THIS TRAINING ROOM!!!

[Locke]

yes well i would rather be working on a boat increasing my physique and my tna nd getting paid for it

MAN IT IS COLD IN THIS TRAINING ROOM!!!
Out of idle curiosity, what the hell is a tna nd?

[kai]

For that same reason as TD just stated I loved the sawmill I used to work in :bawl: o the memories. :love: . . . . . . :wall:

[Locke]

Out of idle curiosity, what the hell is a tna nd?
And once more I repeat, what the hell is a tna nd?

[kai]

Does life need a meaning? Can't it just be?

The same as time, why does it need to start somewhere? Why can't it just always have been?

[Locke]

Because.......


(there, a nice oblique philosophical answer for you :p)

[kai]

It's like that song from the wizard of Oz . . . . we're off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of OZ, becuase because because because becaaaaaause, because of the wonderful things he does AND YET THEY KNOW NOTHING of the things he does :shame:

[Locke]

True, but they do know he exists, and in their simple beliefs they are happy. Because of this, they are content to go off to see the wizard because they believe in the wonderful things they think he can do, and in their belief they allow him to do the wonderful things he does.

[Tonedeaf]

life can and just is being we have no special purpose....think of it this way if we have a special purpose becuase we live...this means that everything that is living has to have a special "higher" purpose now maybe this is me just living in the blindness of humanity and hating christianity as a whole with a seering passion becuase of their closed minded ness (NOTE:i don't discriminate against ppl because of their religious denomination i just question it's teachings) but that was off topic


any way if we have a higher purpose becuase we live than everything that is living has a higher purpose...now correct me if i am wrong but what higher purpose do plants bugs and the rest of the animal population of this little spec of an existance have ? they don't beilieve in a higher purpose they know nothing of any sort of "god" and all the while we are ignorant to the fact that we are not the only thing that is living on this planet and that we arn't much more intelligent than some animals ....however we do show it a different way than most animals

we think that we are so advanced becuase we communicate with one an other in a "verbal" way WHAT THE HELL DO WE THINK BARKING IS!?

[Locke]

Barking isn't a language per se, it's more of a audibal extention of the dog's attitute, happy a cheerful bark, angry a cranky bark, panting either exhaustion or overheated.

[Tonedeaf]

i never said language all i said was comunication ...barking in any way shape or form is still commumnication and just baceuse we don't understand it doesn't mean that other dogs don't understand it ...but that is human nature right there if we don't understand something we either study it kill it or fear it or a combination of # 1 2 or 3

[kai]

ummm . . . everything does have a purpose once it is alive. Everything fits into its enviroment one way or another. The question isn't what is my purpose in life, it is, why is this my purpose, why am I alive to do these things, what is life besides energy in a material form?

Ok this is basically going to be years of thought and research condensed into a fiew paragraphs . . . . so it may make little sense without me going into detail to further explain myself.

the way I look at human life, there is an electric current running through our body at all time, this is us or esentially the life that allows our bodies to function. Our brain is like "filter" (for lack of a better word) which takes various things from our surroundings and translate them into memory (ex. the light off a table hits your eyes, your brain creates the image and stores it into memory engrams throughout the cerebral cortex allowing you to think you see a table when all your doing is remebering where the light hit the table) allowing us to interact with the material world.

It is a strong belief that when you die you go to heaven etc.. well even if it did exist it wouldn't really matter to you, seeing as your body is dead and so are the engrams that stored everything you knew, you'd simply be energy and would return to the planet as such. A tree, a monkey, a person, all get their energy from the same source, a whole, the energy. All life as we know it, is . . . . is energy made flesh.

So really if you think about it, the religions that say you could come back as a dog etc. is kinda true, once you die your energy would go into "the planet" and "YOU" would not longer exist. When a new dog is born and becomes its own life it's energy is from the whole.

Ok so maybe that made no sense to you but I've been researching my beliefs for years now and I've found some pretty solid evidence to back my thoughts up, it would simply take a book or something to put it all down on paper.

[Locke]

So why don't you write a book Kai. Personally, if it's to back that up I know quite a few people that would be interested in it. :)

[Tonedeaf]

yes but that isn't a purpose that is an adaptation to our environment... if we all had a purpose the secound that we came to life it wouldn't take millions upon millions of years for us to adapt into the changing environment. personally i believe that the only reason that we will ever become extinct is the fact that it takes so long to adapt to our environment and that we are destroying it so fast that our boddies can't keep up....this assuming that we don't get hit with a meteor first lol...


as an added thought i don't want you to think that i don't agree with you at all kai... i do agree with everything else you said jsut not the purpose thing

[kai]

Don't think it of a purpose to end all purposes, think of it more like a person gets a job. Adaptation is education for that job and if that job no longer suits the person/species they simply have to go back to school/adapt until they can suit their current surroundings.

[Locke]

So Kai, when are you going to write that book :p

[kai]

I dunno, I'd have to devote most of my time to working on something if I decided to and right now I really don't have the time. It really comes down to the interest people have in the beliefs of others, I doubt many would go for it.

[Tonedeaf]

i really don't think that it matters if most of the populace would go for it the populace doesn't go for anyhting that challenges their good holseum christian values no matter how unbelieveable they are.....moses parted the sea ...ok ...moses was on acid

[Locke]

TD :shame: That was a pointless attack on christianity. While I do disagree personally with many of their views, how would you know that Moses didn't part the sea. He could have, we don't have any way at all of proving or disproving whether he did it or not. Or even if he existed or not. There's lot's of things that could have happened, we'll see.

[Pezito]

Locke > Well... Just common sense should suffice, right ? I've tried several times to part the sea and, err, nothing happened. :) All myths and religious texts use the same kind of images and descriptions ; astronomical numbers, natural forces, exaggerations... All things that inspire either fear or admiration - generally speaking, things that impress people's mind.

Personally, I tend to be much more impressed by rare things like people acting out of pure kindness towards strangers, people honestly recognizing they were wrong and change their ways because of that, arts and great inventions, true love... To me, the power one can show upon his surroundings is nothing as admirable as the power one can show upon himself (yet we generally find it way easier to act upon other individuals than upon ourself).

Anyway... Giant creatures with countless eyes / mouths / arms / heads / etc, pillars of fire, parting the sea, turning water to wine (or to blood), spreading diseases, turning people to stone (and stone to gold), speaking animals, chimeras, incredibly fecund lands... All were just made part from reality, part from our greatly imaginative minds ; and you can hear of them in all parts of the world, in every culture, and always in the same manner. The only proof I see in that, is we all belong to the same human species and that's about it. :)

As for our "purpose", I think the problem is people always want to be told what it is, instead of finding their own purpose themselves. I guess that's part of our gregarious instinct : the pack needs a leader, everyone follows the leader. Free will is like the infinite, it's scary ! :D All things on Earth are limited in some way ; any entity is confined in the bigger group around it, which in turn becomes an entity confined in the next bigger group around... That's how everything works. Unfortunately our mind and its capacity of abstraction has let us grasp that concept ! Things in bigger things in bigger things in bigger things... That's infinity, and it sure is scary. :p So in order for our minds to let our bodies go on, we use that great tool called "beliefs" as a plug for the hole that infinity suggests.

Some people believe in a higher being ; everywhere and nowhere, always existed, etc - those caracteristics putting Him higher than infinite things such as space and time... Hey ! But God itself is infinite, then !? How come we can bear this more than simple, natural infinity ? :spin: Some people believe in science, in material things, in humanity, in destruction, in ghosts, in money - some even believe in themself, but I think they're rare. ;)

Aaannnd... I believe in all I've just said, ha ! :rofl:

[kai]

Purpose : 1. an anticipated outcome that is intended or that guides your planned actions
2. function: what something is used for

Can something really define it's own purpose or is it something that can be only pre-determined?

Really before you can decide what life's purpose is you'd have to determine it's origin, so what is life origin? Goodluck with that one, I think I'll just live my life, let it take me where it wants and hope for the best, as long as I'm happy I really don't mind.

[Locke]

Hmmm, did anybody else notice that it seems young people around the age of 15 - 16 are usually very very full of themselves and don't tend to agree with anybody else' point of view. Then, in general, around 20esque people start to realise that they're not really as smart as they think they are, and then when you get to around 40-50 you start to think that nobody else younger then you might be right as opposed to you being the one who's right?

[Galthol]

Yeah but I think that until your mid-twenties you secretly belive you'll be the first person to live forever, and that the entire world revolves around you, and such stuff. I know I did and do.

[Locke]

I don't think I've thought things like that since I was 17. When you hit university it kinda opens your eye's to those kinda things. You know, like nobody else cares.

[kai]

Yeah, I think that growing up in the country matures you up a bit faster than living in the city where basically everything you could possibly want to make your life easier is available if you have the money to dish out. Today it's true almost everyone on the island has a cell phone, satelite dish, microwave, toothbrush, etc... but the thing is that the old generations didn't, and they taught their kids good values and then their kids past their values on to there kids today. Now these values are dying quickly what with television . . . . . :pirate: , a generation of pirates I say . .

[Locke]

I dunno about the whole generation of Pirates thing, but there is quite a few children nowaday's that are being brought up without learning values. Why, just the other day I saw a group of kids (the oldest of which couldn't have been more then 7 years old) smoking. I was completely shocked. I mean, I do smoke, but I didn't start that until I was 17. To do something like that at the age of 7 just blew my mind.

Kid's these days :shame:

[Tonedeaf]

the rate at which you mature is loosly based on the amount of freeedom you have as a child...if your a sheltered kid and you don't really get to live out your chilld hood then you tend to gtrow up with no concern about money...take me for example my parents didn't give me everything that i wanted but i got most of it ...the first 16 years of my life were basically a free ride and now as soon as i get paid i am broke...i have no concept of money....but then i guess tht knowing what it is like not to have money and the fact that i really don't care if i have money or not kind of messes with that as well

[Locke]

And I reiterate... Kids these days :p ;)

Just teasing ya TD. I was actually the same way, but after living on my own and hitting rock bottom, that kinda really smartens you up. Just wait TD, if it happens to ya you'll be alot more careful with your money after that.

[Tonedeaf]

Locke i find it funny that you say "you'll Me like me someday..." when you spend all your money as fast if not faster than i do

[Locke]

On the contrary, I spend the bulk of it on payday, but I keep enough to keep me fed and with smokes until my next payday. That's the trick of it. Budget out your money ;)

[Tonedeaf]

well w/e here locke



http://www.prairieghosts.com/waverly_tb.html

you like to read...this should tickle your fancy... it's about the waverly hills sanatarium...no it's not a garbage treatment plant

[Locke]

That was actually quite an interesting read. Make's me want to go pay that place a visit just to see it with my own eyes.

[Tonedeaf]

yeah i saw the episode of the show that it was featured in (worlds scariest places) and i was very impressed i think that anyone that likes ghost stories should read this it is very well put together

[kai]

Halloween is meaningless, house flys are meaningless, the exit sign above the door in front of me that is on the second floor yet has no stairs is also useless . . . . . . and possible dangerous if someone were to step through it . . . . . :knockedout:

[Tonedeaf]

kai i don't even think that i want to know wtf your talking about now....i hate being a dancer

[Ephraim]

You hate being a dancer? I've been one for about 6 months now. http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/mad2.gif

But then again, that's because I've been too lazy to post for about that long. :blush:

[Locke]

But hey, at least you're going to be a bard soon :p

[kai]

Ha, singing and dancing, that's about all tonedeaf does outside of RPGN too. http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/evil_laugh.gif

[Locke]

Oh, don't forget the prancing about as well Kai, you can't forget the prancing that TD does :p

[kai]

Oh how could I forget, and in fact due to his actions he has earned the nick name Glerkal http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/biggrin.gif.

[Tonedeaf]

i shouldn't be names glerkal i don't even knwo what that means:'(
kai btw what is steph's middle name

[kai]

It means whatever it means, simple as that :crazy:

I promised her I wouldn't so I won't, however it's not nearly as bad as she thinks it is http://www.rpgamers.info/images/smilies/confused.gif

[Tonedeaf]

lol fair enough

[kai]

Have you ever really thought what was going through people's minds when they bought Pet Rocks???

http://individual.utoronto.ca/elaine/petrock.htm

Really?? Come on now??? Nevermind, it was the 70's O_O

http://individual.utoronto.ca/elaine/rockyoyo1.jpg
YES! That's right it came with instructions and a leash :shame:

[Tonedeaf]

these had to be the same ppl who marketed lawn darts i mean come on now this is a rock on an elastic!!

[kai]

Someone argued with me that something that does not exist cannot have meaning. Of course I brought up the fact that most beliefs may or may not exist and yet they still hold significant meaning to millions of people.

Any thoughts??

[Tonedeaf]

it all depends on what your beliefs are and what they hold to you ....whether or not the things that you believe in are real it's not the material things that matter any way .,...if jesus for example was real then fine but if he wasn't that's just as fine i mean it's all about the comfort that ppl get from being able to have some higher power that loves them and will watch out for them above them at all times not just when their down but when their doing good as well..... i think that is what the beliefs hold for you that really matters not the vallidity of them

[Locke]

In a purely materialistic world that would be true Kai, but as the world is not purely materialistic that statement isn't actually valid. There's also the value of someone's word as well as the belief system. If someone alway's keeps his/her word, and they say that they are going to do something, you take them at their word and choose to accept that the thing they said their going to do will be done.

I suppose someone's word is kinda on the belief system as well, as you would need to believe that the person will accomplish what they said they will.

Come to think of it, I don't think I would like to live in a world where there is no belief, because without belief there is also no hope, and it really wouldn't be worth living in a world with no hope.

[kai]

Which statement isn't valid? Did either of you read my post? Or just not understand it becuase if you did neither of your posts make any sense at all. In fact you argued my point while disagreeing with me . . . .

Maybe the way I worded my statement?

most beliefs may or may not exist and yet they still hold significant meaning to millions of people.Perhaps I should have said : the ideas/events/people that most beliefs base their existence on may or may not have existed, but the meaning they hold still has signigicant meaning to those who believe in them.

There, that should clarify things.

Edit : The really ironic thing is that most of these beliefs is that they believe in a "higher power" that created the earth however there is no way to prove that anything even exists in the first place . . . . . . a belief within a belief, so what should happed if either belief proved false??

[Locke]

In which point that you've clarified things, it's not you that had the invalid statement, but it was an invalid statement made to you that sparked this discussion.